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So what did I think of the actual episode...

... well I enjoyed it (but you could probably tell that from the previous post) though I thought it had issues.

Let's start with the negative first:

I enjoyed the first five minutes because it sets up the manipulative nature of the Doctor for this story.  But I also don't think that Moffat entirely pulls it off.  As I understand it the Doctor wants the Silent to think that he's not a threat, that he's been captured and the prison being built will ensure that he can't do a thing to stop their plans.  Of course the killing of his companions only cements that.  At the same time, once the prison is built, the Doctor will have a place that is shielded from the Silents.

But... why does the Doctor remember The Silents - or at least is aware of them enough to create a plan this clever?  But more then that, where did the US Army / Government get all that Dwarf Star alloy?  And how did two blokes have the capacity to lift it and move it?  As I said in Part One, I'm enjoying the lack of exposition and the need to figure things out, but there are times when an explanation is needed.  And I think here is a case where Moffat put coolness above plot logic.  For me it undermines that mostly wonderful opening (though the swimming pool bit is inspired).

I didn't like the over the top moment of flirting between River and the Doctor once in the "lair of the Silents".  It's not because I'm a prude, it's just because it feels so belaboured and we've-been-there-done-that.  It's as if Moffat thought the episode needed a light moment.

And on that scene as a whole, the action bits are a bit awful.  Haynes' direction is mostly great, but the shooting of the Silents is a mess of CGI and River being cool.  The screw driver gag nearly saved it... except the joke is old.  The fact that it's topped off by River shooting a Silent over her shoulder made it all the more annoying.

One of the more offensive moment isn't the gay joke - because I laughed - it's the fact that the Doctor would rather go off and have adventures than actually search out a little girl whose potentially lost and afraid.  I don't normally say this sort of thing but - my Doctor wouldn't do that!

OK, now with the positive:

I loved the manipulative Doctor.  As Henry Potts pointed out on JadePagoda TV, this is the most NA-ish Doctor Who story we've had.  He was more referring to the dark and potentially violent end, but there's also the fact that the Doctor, here, has a plan that he doesn't bother to tell anyone else, other than a cryptic remark that they have a secret weapon, Buzz Aldrin's shoe-print on the moon.

And so with his plan in mind the Doctor sets a transmitter up on the nose cone of the Apollo 11 and gives his companions recording devices that he hopes might capture the voice of a Silent that he can later use.  (He already has an image of the Silent via Amy's mobile phone).  The scene where he gives the Scooby gang the nano-recorders is the scene where Moffat seeds the idea of a post hypnotic suggestion.

That said, you can hear the plot grinding a little when they capture a Silent who happily gives them exact line of dialogue they need.  It's convenient and undermines the cleverness of the Doctor's plan.  But, the shape of the plan and the idea that the Doctor uses the Silents own hypnotic suggestion to beat them is (a) very clever and (b) something I didn't see coming.  It's also bereft of technobabble, which is always a plus in my books.

I also like the portrayal of Nixon.  Moffat could have made him into a slavering arsehole, but rather he decides to take the view that at least initially Nixon could be reasoned with.  The Tricky Dicky joke at the end was also funny, if obvious.

Aside from the action scene mentioned  above I enjoyed Toby Haynes direction and his visual eye.  I loved Matt Smith as usual, thought that Karen Gillian was excellent, which is big praise from me because I often find her annoying, and I thought Arthur Darvill was wonderful.  Moffat has made the smart move of making Rory more than just a babbling idiot.  He's a man who remembers 2,000 years of protecting his girl, a man who'd do anything to make sure she's OK.  He also broke a bit off the lunar module which made me laugh.

The jury, for me, is still out on River Song.  Sometimes I love her, sometimes I think she's a bit too self aware.  But I am curious to see where Moffat takes her arc.

And, overall, I loved the ambition of the episode and the two parter.  Not all will agree, and some will think they could have pissed out this episode, but I really think that Moffat has lifted the bar.  He's telling a big story, and so far resolution and answers have been hard to come by, but I'm genuinely excited to see what happens next.

And the regeneration scene at the end reminded me that Doctor Who can still WTF you.

8/10 for both episodes.

Comments

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[info]lonemagpie wrote:
May. 1st, 2011 11:10 am (UTC)
As Henry Potts pointed out on JadePagoda TV, this is the most NA-ish Doctor Who story we've had. He was more referring to the dark and potentially violent end, but there's also the fact that the Doctor, here, has a plan that he doesn't bother to tell anyone else, other than a cryptic remark

Which only proves he wasn't paying attention-
CANTON: Why didn't you tell us this?
DOCTOR: I did, but even information about them is erased over time...

The Doctor did brief them, but they couldn't remember it, so why would he bother wasting time trying again?
[info]jblum wrote:
May. 1st, 2011 11:00 pm (UTC)
The seventh Doctor always had a reason not to tell people what he was up to as well, of course. :-)

Plus, if you look closely to his reactions to Amy and Rory, and the questions he was asking both of them... it looks like he's picking up on something and working on another long game. You might not have to worry, Mondy -- I think he *is* working on what's up with the little girl. Just very quietly...
[info]mondyboy wrote:
May. 2nd, 2011 12:14 am (UTC)
You might be right and I'll need to re-watch it.

But my gut reaction was that it was a bit cold - though obviously for meta-related reasons Moffat needed to provide an explanation as to why the next episode is going to be about pirates and not about the search for the little girl.
[info]Beth Free wrote:
May. 8th, 2011 06:21 pm (UTC)
Right. Somethings cannot be solved through a direct approach... and if the pregnancy is in flux (which he is checking continually) maybe the existence of that girl (because he is surely suspecting a connection) is also in flux.
[info]mondyboy wrote:
May. 9th, 2011 12:45 am (UTC)
You may be right... I suppose we shall have to wait and see... (which is the exciting bit!)
[info]mondyboy wrote:
May. 2nd, 2011 12:12 am (UTC)
I missed that as well.

It's still a very NA-ish sort of plan.
[info]chas_martin wrote:
May. 1st, 2011 11:39 am (UTC)
Oopsie!
You've written "Buzz Aldrin's footprint" but what the Doctor said was "Neil Armstrong's foot."

Not "Neil Armstrong's footprint," which was interesting I thought.

I have to say reading these reviews makes me think you're just reading my mind and transcribing it. Stop that!

Cheers
Chas
[info]mondyboy wrote:
May. 2nd, 2011 12:15 am (UTC)
Re: Oopsie!
Crapola. That's what happens when you don't re-read your reviews properly.

Thanks for pointing that out, and yes... I am READING YOIR MIND!!! HA!
[info]dalekboy wrote:
May. 1st, 2011 12:27 pm (UTC)
The dwarf star alloy was Zero Balanced (™) dwarf star alloy. Shaz asked the same question about how they move it, but I'm assuming the Zero Balanced (™) part sort of answers that. At least it did for me.

I suspect the Doctor not wanting to look for the girl is because something is up with Amy and her real/not real pregnancy and they are connected in some way.

And yes, the convenience of the Silent using the exact right phrase is a little annoying, but hell, there have been far worse McGuffins than that dotted throughout the series.
[info]mondyboy wrote:
May. 2nd, 2011 12:18 am (UTC)
Zero balanced... hmm... yes that sounds technobabbly enough. Though where the hell did they get it? Torchwood? The Doctor? Do they have a secret cache of this stuff lying around?
[info]dalekboy wrote:
May. 2nd, 2011 06:21 am (UTC)
Yeah, I liked it as a technobabbly explanation - it didn't stop the scene, and let's face only diehards like us would even care about the mention of dwarf star alloy.

As for where it came from, they were at Area 51, so it's probably left over alien tech from Roswell or whatever.

It's one of the things I like about the writing. A good chunk of the time something that doesn't work actually makes sense on closer inspection.

Well, apart from if you remember the Doctor he'll pop back into existence.
[info]brendanpodger wrote:
May. 2nd, 2011 12:23 am (UTC)
Was the little girl in the spacesuit also the one who regenerated at the end of the episode? I seem to have read rumours The Rani may be making an appearence this season so if that is her, it may be fun to find out what her stake in all this is and how she was manipulating events behind the scenes.
[info]mondyboy wrote:
May. 2nd, 2011 12:27 am (UTC)
Yep, one and the same.

I think the Rani rumours are of the quality of those ongoing rumours that McGann will be appearing in an episode about the Time War.
[info]brendanpodger wrote:
May. 2nd, 2011 12:35 am (UTC)
But the little girl is a female timelord, so unless Romana is being brought back from her alternate dimension, it is either the Rani or another timelord we don't know anything about. Let the speculation begin!
[info]ashamel wrote:
May. 2nd, 2011 01:05 am (UTC)
Or she's the child of the Doctor and Amy...!
[info]frzn_mmnt wrote:
May. 2nd, 2011 01:50 am (UTC)
Ahaha! Somebody else said it so I didn't have to!!
[info]brendanpodger wrote:
May. 2nd, 2011 06:50 am (UTC)
Can't see that happening. One of the last things we saw was the uncertainty of Amy's current child with Rory and this no doubt will be a major theme/complicaton for this series at least. I can't see them introducing a second one any time soon.
[info]ashamel wrote:
May. 2nd, 2011 06:56 am (UTC)
I'm assuming it is the same child.

Though I personally doubt it's the Doctor's (even if I am suddenly getting flashbacks to The Dark Tower series, in which the hero's seed is implanted in one of his companions by demons.)
[info]brendanpodger wrote:
May. 2nd, 2011 07:03 am (UTC)
Of course one question about the whole thing is if it was a timelord that knows the Dr and has a connection with him, why not try to openly contact him(Romana, his clone daughter etc). That is probably a key reason why as far as I can reason she needs to be someone who isn't a friend trying to manipulate things or given that she seems to be a real child perhaps a first life timelord(which opens a completely new can of worms)
[info]paygem wrote:
May. 2nd, 2011 02:24 pm (UTC)
Or the Tardis does affect pregnant women like Amy questioned. But I do think the child is Amy's - why else would that kid's room have a picture of Amy holding a baby? My husband on the other hand thinks the doc transferred into the kid's body in the space suit at time of death - Master style. I told him he's dreaming.
[info]mondyboy wrote:
May. 9th, 2011 12:46 am (UTC)
I also think you're husband is crazy... but who knows... he might end up being right and there'd end up ebing egg on our face.
[info]Beth Free wrote:
May. 8th, 2011 06:27 pm (UTC)
new timelords
or, the tardis creates timelords. amy spending so much time in the tardis, and probably getting pregnant in it... as she pondered...
[info]ashamel wrote:
May. 9th, 2011 11:49 am (UTC)
Re: new timelords
If that was the case, that would put a rather different spin on the number of female companions.
[info]Beth Free wrote:
May. 10th, 2011 12:32 am (UTC)
Re: new timelords
i've not yet seen shows prior to 2005
[info]seanwilliams wrote:
May. 4th, 2011 04:08 am (UTC)
Or the daughter of River and the Doctor?

But of course the Doctor already *has* a daughter...
[info]smofbabe wrote:
May. 1st, 2011 01:12 pm (UTC)
Sadly, I'm beginning to suspect that I am just the wrong audience for Doctor Who in general. I find that the lack of exposition and all the enigmas start to annoy me if they go past an episode or two, and the redundant obvious personality quirks annoy me a tiny bit as well. (And I can't believe you liked the portrayal of Nixon - from an American POV, it was so far off the mark that they might as well have made him some random fictional president.)
[info]ariaflame wrote:
May. 1st, 2011 03:40 pm (UTC)
Set in that time and place?

Ah well, perhaps it isn't for you. Myself I'm enjoying not knowing what is happening next.
[info]mondyboy wrote:
May. 2nd, 2011 12:21 am (UTC)
I'm enjoying the not knowing as well.
[info]Beth Free wrote:
May. 8th, 2011 06:31 pm (UTC)
not knowing
this is my first series, experienced "live". i discovered doctor who just this past year and have watched reruns of every series since 2005 (multiple times). i was worried that seeing a cliffhanger and then having to wait longer than a day to see the resolution would be unbearable... but i'm relieved to find i can handle the suspense.
[info]mondyboy wrote:
May. 9th, 2011 12:47 am (UTC)
Re: not knowing
Very nice :)

And thanks so much for the comments.
[info]Beth Free wrote:
May. 9th, 2011 02:10 am (UTC)
Re: not knowing
thank you for posting intelligent discussion about doctor who. i've never really engaged in fan-goggling (sounds like a real word, right?), but doctor who's got me hooked. and yes, it would be cool if it were perfect, but i doesn't have to be. not for me. i'd rather watch something inspired (and inspiring) than flawless.
[info]mondyboy wrote:
May. 2nd, 2011 12:20 am (UTC)
What I liked about fake Nixon is that Moffat didn't just caricature the character. The fact that it's not historically accurate wasn't an issue for me because my knowledge of US politics during that period prior to Watergate is non-existent. That said I can see how it would have annoyed an US fan watching the show who have a better idea of what Tricky Dicky was like during his early years as Pres.

And the David Frost joke was funny?

The personality quirks are what make the show! But I think if you're still finding it annoying then maybe you do need to stop watching it.
[info]smofbabe wrote:
May. 2nd, 2011 01:07 am (UTC)
I don't care about the historical accuracy of what the character did, but if you're going to make a real person reference, at least make the character roughly like that person. This one didn't talk or act much like Nixon.

Re: the personality quirks, they don't bother me all that much except when I think they're a substitute for weak writing. However, I will admit that the enigmas and hints are starting to get to me: it's starting to feel to me like "Nyah, nyah, we know some secrets and you don't." I don't mind suspense building and story arcs but there seem to me to be a record number of loose threads hanging. As I said, might just mean I'm not the right audience for this type of series.
[info]ariaflame wrote:
May. 2nd, 2011 04:24 am (UTC)
Shame to hear that. Haven't watched a lot of actual Nixon myself, but the confidential suggested the actor had at least made an attempt to match his speech patterns.
[info]smofbabe wrote:
May. 2nd, 2011 04:39 am (UTC)
It sort of sounded like someone really bad at impressions trying to do Nixon.
[info]ariaflame wrote:
May. 2nd, 2011 05:00 am (UTC)
Being an actor is hard. Look at all the American actors who have done really really bad British accents.
[info]smofbabe wrote:
May. 2nd, 2011 05:03 am (UTC)
That's essentially what my Australian husband said. (Well, actually he said "Now you know how it feels!")
[info]tallaudrey wrote:
May. 2nd, 2011 02:48 am (UTC)
Ah see re: One of the more offensive moment isn't the gay joke - because I laughed - it's the fact that the Doctor would rather go off and have adventures than actually search out a little girl whose potentially lost and afraid. I don't normally say this sort of thing but - my Doctor wouldn't do that!

I don't think he was going to ... I think he was distracting Amy and Rory from the possibility that their baby had been stolen from them ... then he does a scan on Amy to look for trace of the pregnancy and we know something's up coz our Doctor wouldn't just forget it.

He was distracting his companions ...
[info]ariaflame wrote:
May. 2nd, 2011 05:56 am (UTC)
Plus time-travel. As long as he doesn't cross his own timeline he can get there just in time whenever he gets there. Or so we hope. At least I think we hope. So many unanswered questions... *happy*.
[info]rhythmaning wrote:
May. 8th, 2011 12:00 pm (UTC)
See, I told you I should have read pt 2 before commenting... :)
[info]mondyboy wrote:
May. 9th, 2011 12:47 am (UTC)
HA!
[info]Beth Free wrote:
May. 8th, 2011 06:55 pm (UTC)
If Doctor Who had said something about stealing the Wire's idea of using Queen's Coronation as an opportunity to reach a massive number of people, we'd have got it immediately... which wouldn't have been near as much fun. I LOVE the big reveal a bunch of pieces fall into place at once: The Silent's line about "you should kill us on sight" didn't stand out to me in the actual scene. It wasn't until later, when the Doctor hacked the moonlanding feed with it, that I realized the alien had spoon fed it to us. Surely, you would be more careful with your wording if you knew your words would be taken as orders automatically. STILL, even having that thought didn't diminish the liberating feeling of that moment. When you take the elements of the trap (the brainwashing, the memory-blocking) and turn it around on the trapper, wow, that's the best! Remember the Doctor (older Doctor) at the picnic in the previous episode saying "There's a lot more about 1969 than anyone remembers". They kill them "on sight", then look away, then completely forget all about it. No one even remembers. That moment was the payoff!

The woman in the round window, with an eyepatch?, is so bizarrely reminiscent of Prisoner Zero's guard. What is up with that?

And wasn't the little girl from the year 1969? Didn't she regenerate in the year 1969? Were the Silence/Silents harvesting her in order to have some type of tardis power?

I love the puzzle. I hate that there are pieces that I cannot even begin to find satisfactory ways to connect... but I would be even more annoyed if they were too easy to connect. (The suspense is unbearable. I hope it lasts.)
[info]jack_ryder wrote:
May. 8th, 2011 11:42 pm (UTC)
A couple of things I noticed about the episode:

- the woman with the eyepatch strikes me as being similar to the deliberate continuity error in the Angels' sequel story - it's something that will be revisited in the finale (as I think a lot of the story, including the beginning.)

- Amy revealed herself as pregnant in The Impossible Astronaut - Day of the Moon is set three months afterwards. Surely she should be showing by now - she's past the first trimester.
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